Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

Drago said:
I'll be one to say I hope there aren't a ton of new Pokemon. As far as I'm concerned, there's too many as it is. Especially considering only 20-30 are ever seen competitively. I have a few requests for Sun/Moon, the former being the one I'm getting.

1. Fewer Pokemon, more acclimating old Pokemon. When was the last time you saw anyone using Parasect or Ledian? Or when did you see anyone using Dedenne, who just came out? Even in the story mode for your friends? Stop spending so much time creating new Pokemon no one wants to use and spend more time making sure every Pokemon has something it can do. I'm not saying every Pokemon needs to be OU, but GF gave base 55 ATK Ledian Iron Fist for a goddamn ability! That shows no f***s given!

2. Competent gym leaders. Make every gym leader high level. These are supposed to be 8 (or more) of the toughest trainers in the entire region! I shouldn't be able to beat one with a level 10 Charmander! Even better, have more than 8 leaders that you only have to defeat 8 of in order to go the Pokemon League!

I have to disagree with these two points:

Having fewer Pokémon in a new generation will never, ever happen; that's is one of the selling point for a "new generation" game. To cut it down would simply hurt the overall experience of the game with little "new" Pokémon to discovered. To appease to the old Pokémon is unnecessary; especially when they've already done so in particular fashion as each new generation debuted:
  • Generation 2 with Baby Pokes/Egg moves. 
  • Generation 3 with the Natures and Abilities. 
  • Generation 4 with the Physical/Special Split + Further Evolutions for some Pokémon. 
  • Generation 5 with Hidden abilities. 
  • Generation 6 with Mega-Evolution. 
It's evident that Generation 7 will introduce something new onto the table in some fashion. Your point is mostly gears towards competitively community, which I highly doubt is anything that GameFreak is concern about when they create new Pokémon. To simply go back to make sure "xyz" Pokémon to be great is unnesscary work - because it wouldn't solve the problem anyways. Some Pokémon are better or worse than others; that won't stop a people from using it in their team (even if they're a minority). 

2) Higher levels means nothing, if you're already prepared. The problem is the AI. Make the Gym Leaders have better movesets for the Pokemon, items, EVs/IVs, etc then you will have a challenge. Simply just putting them in "high level" means nothing when one can just simply grind to get a certain level (or more) to stream rolled them.
 
There are speculating that this new "region" will be connected to Kalos, but we don't know anything for sure until we get more information. According to Corocoro, we'll get information about Sun and Moon in May (rather than the "next issue". So I assumed that will get something before corocoro?)

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The first images from CoroCoro have leaked and have revealed that next month will provide a huge scoop on Pokémon Sun & Moon. It has text saying that you can't see the Pokémon in the box art yet. We'll bring more as it comes

Edit @ 11:37: In the movie section of CoroCoro, it has confirmed that the Mythical Pokémon, Magearna, is to be a Steel/Fairy-type Pokémon
 
Agreed, high level gym leaders don't mean a thing if the computer is incompetent.

It isn't that they aren't capable of programming competent AI; they have proven that. However, the AI is so incompetent much of the time it almost feels like hand holding. 

Whitney is considered hard but her AI just spams Milk Drink and rollout. If you force her to use jer berry early and poison/burn/leech it, the battle is just pressing A. Not that hard.

It would be pretty sweet to have a champ that has hidden ability Pokemon on their team though. 

A fix to that wouldn't be higher levels; that just encourages grinding sessions which are tedious and you shouldn't need to do so. But they shouldn't be lower than wild Pokemon in that area either.

If you avoid duplicate pokemon, give a moveset that can at least not be a one trick pony, and employ an AI that can switch Pokemon OR be able to adapt to your team threats, it should be feel more rewarding in that aspect.

Beating a high level pokemon with a shit AI wouldn't feel like you earned it, it would feel like they would hand it over to you anyway.


There's a lot of pissbabies over no Coro leaks XD
 
LoopyPanda said:
Agreed, high level gym leaders don't mean a thing if the computer is incompetent.

It isn't that they aren't capable of programming competent AI; they have proven that. However, the AI is so incompetent much of the time it almost feels like hand holding. 

Whitney is considered hard but her AI just spams Milk Drink and rollout. If you force her to use jer berry early and poison/burn/leech it, the battle is just pressing A. Not that hard.

It would be pretty sweet to have a champ that has hidden ability Pokemon on their team though. 

A fix to that wouldn't be higher levels; that just encourages grinding sessions which are tedious and you shouldn't need to do so. But they shouldn't be lower than wild Pokemon in that area either.

If you avoid duplicate Pokemon, give a move-set that can at least not be a one trick pony, and employ an AI that can switch Pokemon OR be able to adapt to your team threats, it should feel more rewarding in that aspect.

Beating a high-level Pokemon with a shit AI wouldn't feel like you earned it, it would feel like they would hand it over to you anyway.


There's a lot of pissbabies over no Coro leaks XD

Exactly. These fans acting like putting high-end numbers will do significant changes - all it does is encourage more grinding to surpassed the level. You need to have the AI actually to be intelligence - and to avoid scaring off kids and new players, add the optional "Trainer Mode" - Easy/Normal and "Veteran Mode" - which is hard with the more competent AI, hell even bring in rewards for doing both of these mods (like mega stones, etc) - essentially, what Generation 5 nearly tried to do. 

Anyways, Pokemon News will arrive tomorrow, so get ready for it :awesome:

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-Region straight up Hawaii with tons of tropical aspects and looks like a game for exploration
-Overworld characters turn to look towards you as you pass by like in Gale of Darkness
-Midtone skintone between pale and dark
-Starters all look absolutely adorable
-Badass Lion Legendary
-Insanely cool Bat lookin Legendary
-Female model has a cute outfit + Beanie styled hat
-Customization came back
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Moon would be the on for me if I had a ds. That legendary looks super badass.
 
You two missed the entire point of my post or just didn't bother to actually read it. The first thing I said was make the gym leaders competent. After that, I said make them a higher level because they should be due to their status.

1. The gym leaders should be competent in order to make the battle challenging. They should probably have some coverage moves to cover their type to also go along with that.
2. They should be a higher level than most trainers (minus the ones in Victory Road) and close to the same level as each other. Can their be gym leaders who are a bit lower? Yeah, but it shouldn't be more than maybe 10.
3. If they're making gym leaders solely milestones like bosses are in RPGs, then make rematches. In Gen III, Brock was considered an absolute joke due to even Charmander having no issue with him thanks to Metal Claw. They somewhat mended this in Gen IV with the gym leader rematches in Johto.

Just dumping off the older Pokemon because they're old is a great way to irritate a lot of people. I never said to make every Pokemon competitively viable. I actually said the opposite and that I didn't feel they should have to.

My complaint was GF clearly not showing any concern for older Pokemon in an almost insulting way. Examples:
1. Ledian, who has a base 55 ATK, no lore involving punching or even being a fighter, learned one punching move when it debuted and is known for its SpD...got Iron Fist as an ability.
2. Rotom has multiple forms. They're all awesome and adorable. They use to be Electric/Ghost, regardless of form, so Levitate as an ability, while not making much sense (since all its forms touch the ground), made competitive sense. Once their types matched their form, their abilities should have been made to match too. Instead, we now have a Flying type Rotom-F with Levitate as an ability. They might fix it this generation, an with abilities like Aerialate and Refrigerate, they have options to make each form more unique.
3. Delibird gets a lot of hate to this day. Whether people hate the design, which I find adorable, the moveset or the fact that it has Vital Spirit and Insomnia taking up two ability slots! GF gave Delibird two abilities that do the same damn thing! One is a hidden ability! They wasted its goddamn HA on something it could already do! They took time making sure Delibird was more worthless! There are many other examples, but this one is by far the most frustrating example of GF, not just not caring about, but actively worsening an older Pokemon.

I'm alright with adding more Pokemon as long as they show the same care to every single family in some way. They can even add in new items to counter some of these effects if they want. Just give them something. They've shown the ability to do with some Pokemon.

1. Farfetch'd got the Stick item, which raises its Crit ratio two stages. As of Gen VI, that means 100% crits.
2. Psychic, Poison and Dragon types all got too powerful, so they made Dark, Steel and Fairy types respectively to deal with them.
3. People wanted to bond more easily with their Pokemon and got Pokemon Amie.
4. People wanted customisable trainers and got them.

I don't expect them to get everything right the first time. That'd be insane. But every problem I've listed has been around years, decades for some of them.

And to cover the incessant need of the internet asking for every region in one game, that's stupid. The only way to pull that off would be in an MMO and even then, it'd still be a watered down version of the games. Nobody wants that. XD

About Sun & Moon
I like the designs of the Pokemon we've seen so far and I love that it's a tropical region. Watch there still be a snow area. XD
 
Interesting thing with the hoenn starters:

The Swampert line have stayed in basically the same tier since they were introduced. The Sceptile line, unfortunately, are only really good in their home games since they can't really take advantage of their high special attack come gen 4 and the phys/special spilt which made Sceptile basically irrelevant. Then you have Blaziken which wasn't so hot in its home game but then actually became progressively more relevant over time, and a speed boost Blaziken can even kick its way into ubers even without mega evolution.

On topic, I can't wait for sun and moon, even if I am a bit salty that there are no reptilian or amphibious starters. I guess I'll try Popplio since I feel sorry for him.
 
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