Dragon Ball - Akira Toriyama

It's interesting to see Cumber use his energy/ki as a means to take over/corrupt Goku. I wonder how he does it or if he just 'truly an evil Saiyan.' 

The episode was amazing! I really like it, especially my favorite fusion character, Vegito! I'm a huge fan of all the fusion characters so I can't wait for Gogeta to show up eventually. Golden Cooler is just so...cool, lol. It's kinda funny to see Cooler helping the Saiyans kill a bigger, stronger, and meaner Saiyan. I can't wait to see the outcome of the fight and learn more about Cumber. It gives me a ton of ideas that I might put into play in a certain RP.  :maybe:

AS FOR BROLY, I AM IN LOVE. I saw the trailer and I only have a few questions:

Are Freeza and Broly/Broly's dad working together? I noticed that the ship they arrived in, looked very similar to Freeza's ship. It could be just a coincidence, but knowing Toriyama, we might have a surprise.

Who was that Saiyan next to Broly's dad? It looked pretty similar to Vegeta or U7's taller version of Cabba.
 
~ Z ~ said:
It's interesting to see Cumber use his energy/ki as a means to take over/corrupt Goku. I wonder how he does it or if he just 'truly an evil Saiyan.' 

The episode was amazing! I really like it, especially my favorite fusion character, Vegito! I'm a huge fan of all the fusion characters so I can't wait for Gogeta to show up eventually. Golden Cooler is just so...cool, lol. It's kinda funny to see Cooler helping the Saiyans kill a bigger, stronger, and meaner Saiyan. I can't wait to see the outcome of the fight and learn more about Cumber. It gives me a ton of ideas that I might put into play in a certain RP.  :maybe:

AS FOR BROLY, I AM IN LOVE. I saw the trailer and I only have a few questions:

Are Freeza and Broly/Broly's dad working together? I noticed that the ship they arrived in, looked very similar to Freeza's ship. It could be just a coincidence, but knowing Toriyama, we might have a surprise.

Who was that Saiyan next to Broly's dad? It looked pretty similar to Vegeta or U7's taller version of Cabba.

It seems that Cumber is indeed an Anicent from the past. Considering in one of the newest chapter of Super Dragon Ball Heroes, he recognized a red-hair Saiyan (I'm assuming Super Saiyan God), it's likely that Cumber fought one during his time. Yeah, this second episode is really good, I'm just disappointed that Beat and Note are basically thrown to the wayside when they should be the core aspect of the story. Hopefully when the next episode appears, in September, we will see them.

Yeah, it definitely a bit similar, though I wouldn't be surprised if Paragus (Broly's dad) took one of the ship during the time Freeza wasn't around. Based on the snippets of the trailer, it seems to take inspiration from all three movies here and there.

I'm assuming it's a Sayian in the past. It can't be Vegeta since he was still only a child during that event, so it's probably another Saiyan.

We got new information regarding Dragon Ball Super: Broly, translated by Herms.

For those who don't know who Chelye and Lemo, they are these characters:
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Furthermore, we got another round of information regarding Broly's status (Herms' translation): The Saikyo Jump editorial office tells readers: "Frankly, the enemy Goku and co. are up against in this movie is the strongest. Those who trust Goku will win may lose confidence, so be careful." They also ask: "Destructive power greater than a God of Destruction?!"
 
The big wigs at the Kanzenshuu just released a brand new translation of the interview with movie director, Tatsuya Nagamine, on Dragon Ball Super: Broly. You can read the full interview of it right here, and I highly urges to read the entire thing in full.

An excerpt, provided by Kanzenshuu, seen below, which I thought to be interesting:

[font=Roboto, Arial]With the exception of action scenes, we’re adapting his screenplay pretty much as-is. However, though we want to be as faithful to it as possible, unfortunately the allotted run time is short. When we first made storyboards for the entire screenplay, a movie that was supposed to only be 90 minutes turned out to be double that length. Enough for two whole movies (laughs). Trying to forcefully condense that much content together would make it feel like a clip show, which would be boring, so I consulted with the producers and everyone else involved to whittle down the scenes and make it the proper length. We’re adamant about delivering as much of Toriyama’s script to viewers as possible, so we were able to extend the run time a little bit.[/font]
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[font=Roboto, Arial]In my experience, since Dragon Ball is a series that has gone on a long time, we have impressions of what it should be. The movements to fire a Kamehameha or the setup of a Super Saiyan transformation scene are things that are so well-known they’ve become fixed. Maybe it would be fine to keep them the same, but transforming or firing beams from your hand are special things, so I want to make the staging for those moments special, too. The moment when I really came to that realization was when Toriyama gave us a manual during Dragon Ball Super about how to turn Super Saiyan. It said that the character gets tingles in their back, then imagines that sensation spreading outward and becomes Super Saiyan. I thought, “This is it!!” We can’t create this without using our physical senses as a basis. Transforming randomly without reason is no good. When I was a kid trying to shoot a Kamehameha or turn into a Super Saiyan, I always tried earnestly. The characters in the anime can’t just do it in an instant, either; they also have to try earnestly or it won’t work. I tell the animators to not be concerned about what was previously established, and I want them to draw how they feel using current techniques. If there’s inconsistency between how Dragon Ball has looked before and how we’re presenting it now, then I think it’s best to get rid of those past conceptions. Goku broke past his limits and evolved to Ultra Instinct, so we should follow suit and have the look evolve as well. At any rate, I want Dragon Ball to utilize the latest advancements and be on the cutting edge of action series. We’re not treating the series as something untouchable, and we want to create our own enjoyable Dragon Ball story.[/font]

As I thought, the tingly-backs came from Toriyama regarding how a Saiyan become one (for some reason, this was skipped in the manga, but I assumed this is due to the limited amount of pages Toyotaro is stuck with).
We got some new translation regarding Dragon Ball Super, an interview from the director, once again, and graciously translated by the big boys from Kanzenshuu. Here's an excerpt before reading the full interview.

There was an audition where several of us drew character designs, then Toriyama looked them all over and picked me. I drew the characters that Toriyama viewed as most important: Goku, Vegeta, and Bulma. I’ve never drawn for Dragon Ball the entire time I’ve been with Toei Animation. This was my first time, so it felt very fresh to me.



Toriyama’s style has changed from how it used to be, so it was difficult to judge what sort of style I should emulate. I believe he now only draws using his current style, so I felt I should draw with that same updated look.



There were times when I received corrections he’d made on clean copies of the designs. It seemed Goku’s look was fine, so I didn’t get any corrections on him. He mainly redrew the female characters. He’d often correct things like the body lines or faces. Since Dragon Ball doesn’t have many female characters I was under the impression Toriyama wasn’t very particular about them, so this came as a surprise.

Furthermore, we got some niffy character designs, including the granny and the character that is indeed confirmed from Dragon Ball Minus (that awkward feeling that this character aged up before Goten and Trunks).
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According to several users on the Kanzenshuu forum, Apparently, thanks to the newest update for Xenoverse 2, dataminers were able to uncover the placeholder data for the next two characters set to debut in the Winter DLC: It's Broly (most likely Super Incarnation) and...... Gogeta.

It makes sense considering that Toei Animation is screening all three films, Broly, Bardock's Special and Fusion Reborn in America. So I guess the rumors that all three of them have an connection to the films was accurate! :wagh:

I'd assumed this would debut as Gogeta Blue, assuming Ultra Instinct Goku does not make an appearance (considering that Goku stresses that it came out due to being pushed to the corner and merely a fluke).
Another episode of Super Dragon Ball Heroes had aired

https://streamable.com/zckzd

Next Episode: The Mightiest Warrior! Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto!
Looks like a new trailer for the Broly movie is coming out this Friday. Furthermore, there will be a movie premiere of the film next month for 1000 people in Japan. Those lucky folks :(
 
I can't wait to see what the new trailer will unfold about our new(?) vegetable boy. I wonder if those lucky 1000 people will spoil the movie. I hope not but I cannot contain myself if they do.
 
Well... here's a new trailer for the Broly movie. It focuses on the past (the directors boasted that the first 20-30 mins will make you cry)

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Looks like Bardock Special got recton out in favor with Minus somewhat... (and Vegeta's.... age?). It seems that it merging the backstory of Broly in movie 8 and polished it up in a way that it parallel Goku's backstory.

There's nothing anything wrong with that, but it's seemingly strange how for 20+ years, we known about the backstory, which even appeared in the manga (well, to be fair, it was only the end-scene where Bardock rebelled against Freeza that shown up in the manga), to be cast out of continuity... :thinks:
 
I can't wait! Broly shot an energy beam thingy from his mouth (I know others did it too but I'm a sucker for Broly's new design). I love this mini trailer! It's got all my favorite characters and what makes it even better is that it looks like Whis might fight Broly! I LOVE WHIS AND BEERUS. My Lord and Savior, Freeza is gonna have a whack at the big broccoli man, but honestly, I don't even care who wins. I just wanna see some good fights. 

God, I love Broly's new design so much. And, is it just me or is that song catchy as hell? xDD Still crazy about Broly shooting a beam from his mouth. Loved that shit.  :heh:

Also, what is #Blizzard? I assume it's the name of the song/band? Or do they mean Blizzard from Overwatch?
 
It's a name of theme that plays in this movie.


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Looks like Freeza has his armor, so people can stop complaining about that :wagh:
Here's some spoilers for the Dragon Ball: Super Broly that are lurking around

-Whis does fight Broly as a distraction
-Piccolo's role is to teach Vegeta the fusion dance.
-Broly's power boost from the beginning of the fight to the end is bigger than than the power increase that Freeza got.
-Gogeta "confirmed" for the millionth time. 
-Vegeta's age isn't rectonned.
-Freeza's wish is more of a gag
-Gogeta goes to finish off Broly, but Chelai makes a wish to Shenron to save Broly from Gogeta killing him. (Huh, Fusion actually does something for once)

Beerus is babysitting Bra.
Whis is just dodging Broly's attacks.
Freezer kills Paragus for Broly to turn into SSJ and he gets powned.
Freezer wants to blow up Cheelai's ship but Gogeta stops him.
Gogeta appears in Super Saiyan then Super Saiyan Blue.
Goku and Vegeta fail the fusion several times, both fat and slim version are in the movie.
Bardock rebels against Freezer.
Freezer fights Broly.
The wish of Freezer is to grow 5cm and Bulma's to rejuvenate by 5 years.
Gogeta saves Freezer from the final blow, meanwhile Broly attacks Whis who has fun with him.
Broly is brought back to the planet where he grew up thanks to the Dragon Balls not to be finished by Gogeta.
Cheerai and Lemo will find him, and Goku arrives teleporting.
He brings them home and food from Bulma, and tells them that he wants to see them from time to time to fight with Broly,
Goku says Broly is definitely stronger than Beerus.
There is no ultra instinct, no Kaioken, or Vegeta Blue Evolution in the movie

Geekdom says the "Goku finally does something" thing is

Goku calls himself Kakarot at the end.

Here's an detailed summary: https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/59346524/

DO NOTE, that there's some contradictory information from many sources, we won't have a solid confirmation until the films hits next month.
 
Assuming that these are true (We are not sure yet), that would make this Broly completely different personality-wise from the old one. Huh, I guess this new Broly will divide the Broly Fanbase into new and old. The whole wish thing from Freeza and Bulma are pretty funny and it's about time we see Gogeta for more than 30 seconds, amiright?
 
~ Z ~ said:
Assuming that these are true (We are not sure yet), that would make this Broly completely different personality-wise from the old one. Huh, I guess this new Broly will divide the Broly Fanbase into new and old. The whole wish thing from Freeza and Bulma are pretty funny and it's about time we see Gogeta for more than 30 seconds, amiright?

Yeah, this marks the second time a fusion actually does something and wins, instead of disappearing for a few seconds and forcing the heroes to rely on other options.

It would be interesting to see the differences between Original Broly and New Broly; judging from the spoilers and in-depth summary, I have a clutch that I might preferred the original Broly over the new one just a tad bit.




The newest chapter of Dragon Ball Super is now out, concluding the Tournament of Power. Toyotaro is skipping the Broly movie (although there is a promo manga for the Broly movie by another artist I believe) and heading straight for a new arc. 

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-42/chapter/16035

Prior to this chapter, I decided to read everything, starting from the beginning of ToP to the end, and I have to say, I wasn't impressed by Toyotaro's take on the arc. Perhaps this new one, Toyotaro can shine through... or not. Here's an image of the new villain:

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ShineCero said:
~ Z ~ said:
Assuming that these are true (We are not sure yet), that would make this Broly completely different personality-wise from the old one. Huh, I guess this new Broly will divide the Broly Fanbase into new and old. The whole wish thing from Freeza and Bulma are pretty funny and it's about time we see Gogeta for more than 30 seconds, amiright?

Yeah, this marks the second time a fusion actually does something and wins, instead of disappearing for a few seconds and forcing the heroes to rely on other options.

It would be interesting to see the differences between Original Broly and New Broly; judging from the spoilers and in-depth summary, I have a clutch that I might preferred the original Broly over the new one just a tad bit.




The newest chapter of Dragon Ball Super is now out, concluding the Tournament of Power. Toyotaro is skipping the Broly movie (although there is a promo manga for the Broly movie by another artist I believe) and heading straight for a new arc. 

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/dragon-ball-super-chapter-42/chapter/16035

Prior to this chapter, I decided to read everything, starting from the beginning of ToP to the end, and I have to say, I wasn't impressed by Toyotaro's take on the arc. Perhaps this new one, Toyotaro can shine through... or not. Here's an image of the new villain:

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Yeah, the ToP was beyond weak in the manga. Lot of potential hype but extremely wasted. Only thing I'll defend for him is that, imo, he's preserved the overall ability to take the story and make it flow better so there weren't as many "don't even know what's even happening" type of inconsistencies. But it's little solace when you do things like, "here's Kefla vs Ultimate Gohan", and then like four panels later of not seeing either of them, they both knocked each other off the fighting stage.

Anti-climatic as hell, would definitely prefer the "fantastic mess" that was the anime over it any day of the week xD


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vegetto, is dat u?

Kidding aside....my god. The hype, the combat, the song...asdfghjkl. I can't wait for January! :D

Even knowing his appearance is real/his involvement in the plot at all, it does nothing to dissuade or diminish the hype and interest to see the movie for me: this may be the first movie that I honestly can say that I fully expect to live up to my high expectations for enjoyment. Although:

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This has been me for the past few months lurking on this forum, dodging Shine's consistent spoiling of the plot of the movie xD
 
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MY LOVE FOR THE FUSIONS INCREASED!!! 

You already know I have a massive chub for the fusion characters, but I think Gogeta Blue looks amazing! Probably my fave of all time! I personally really love the animation style of the movie and I kinda already spoiled myself and know what the movie is going to be about (no thanks to you, Shine. :wagh: ) and I want to draw a special little short comic probably using Cuki or a psycho soldier out for blood. (@"Vegetto" knows what I mean. :maybe: ). We'll have to wait and see. Overall, I am inspired to draw something thanks to how this trailer hypes people up.

btw: The music is the best I've heard. Phenomenal.
 
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Yo, so aside from the english version being dropped of this trailer, big thing I actually wanted to ask @"ShineCero":

I have dodged your spoilers for months, scrubbing the memory of each spoiled detail as best I can from accidental click. I can safely assume that the memory has been erased, but I come before you to seek knowledge on this trailer and ask you to use your digging powers for good: did Daichi Miura create an actual English version of the song? I normally stay away from English translations of Japanese works, the overall beat and sync of the song seems weird and usually never seems to work well when the song is modified for English, let alone the fact that most covers tend to be garbage. Yet from the small snippet in this vid, I'm actually pretty stoked and want to see how it turns out if the man himself really made an English version.
 
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Yo, so aside from the english version being dropped of this trailer, big thing I actually wanted to ask @"ShineCero":

I have dodged your spoilers for months, scrubbing the memory of each spoiled detail as best I can from accidental click. I can safely assume that the memory has been erased, but I come before you to seek knowledge on this trailer and ask you to use your digging powers for good: did Daichi Miura create an actual English version of the song? I normally stay away from English translations of Japanese works, the overall beat and sync of the song seems weird and usually never seems to work well when the song is modified for English, let alone the fact that most covers tend to be garbage. Yet from the small snippet in this vid, I'm actually pretty stoked and want to see how it turns out if the man himself really made an English version.

Yep! Miura made an English version of the song and man, he rocked the fuck out of that song.
 
ShineCero said:
Vegetto said:
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Yo, so aside from the english version being dropped of this trailer, big thing I actually wanted to ask @"ShineCero":

I have dodged your spoilers for months, scrubbing the memory of each spoiled detail as best I can from accidental click. I can safely assume that the memory has been erased, but I come before you to seek knowledge on this trailer and ask you to use your digging powers for good: did Daichi Miura create an actual English version of the song? I normally stay away from English translations of Japanese works, the overall beat and sync of the song seems weird and usually never seems to work well when the song is modified for English, let alone the fact that most covers tend to be garbage. Yet from the small snippet in this vid, I'm actually pretty stoked and want to see how it turns out if the man himself really made an English version.

Yep! Miura made an English version of the song and man, he rocked the fuck out of that sing.


But do you know where I can find it? I've searched and dug everywhere, but I refuse to believe the internet has failed to leak this after all the spoilers for the movie xD
 
Not yet. The single is supposedly for release on December 19, 2018 (which I assumed, includes the english version). Has the Japanese version already released (in full) online already? :thonk:
 
ShineCero said:
Not yet. The single is supposedly for release on December 19, 2018 (which I assumed, includes the english version). Has the Japanese version already released (in full) online already? :thonk:


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I also got it on Itunes, American store has it released. But not the English version, so it might be that the official release date is that English one :/
 
Huh, interesting! I didn't know the Japanese one was released. Thanks man! Hoping the English one gets release soon too! Considering the trailer, it might be around the corner.


Just saw the film.

The film is good in terms of animation, but on the narrative side, it is a bit confusing.

ShineCero said:
Just saw the film.

The film is good in terms of animation, but on the narrative side, it is a bit confusing.

The film attempts to display Broly’s tragic story (even though Broly’s story was tragic already in his original film), but it does not do enough to highlight those tragedies. It seemingly shows Paragus’ tragedy, considering that he abandoned everything he had, without question, to save his son.

The closest thing we get is that Broly had a friend, Paragus shooed him away and that is that. Everything else is from the perspective of other characters, mainly Cheeai, who had one too many assumptions on Paragus and Broly.

Speaking of which, what are your guys opinion on Cheeai? I think her involvement in the film really brings down my enjoyment. :think:

The film slingshot back and forth that Broly is an innocent child abused by his father, but at the same time, display that Paragus had to reason to do use the collar. Furthermore, the film shows that Paragus talks down to Broly multiple times before he used the shock collar as a last resort (which he only used once or twice… cannot recalled). 

Yet, suddenly, Cheeai chastised Paragus for using it… despite the context that Broly was going to killed that person flirting with her.

So I don’t know if the film wants the audience to side with Cheeai; if it did, it sending out an confusing message, I think.

A continuation of my earlier post, I want to comment on other criticisms I had with the film. Once again, the film is a spectacular animated flick; stunning visuals, music is decent, some with highs and lows, and the choreography (first-person perspective comes into mind) was damn awesome. However, stunning visuals means nothing if the narrative is either all over the place or frail throughout and this film is a combination of both.

Dragon Ball Minus: Animated

The first section of the film (about 25 minutes) is a re-creation of Dragon Ball Minus in animated format. Another user said it best; if you like Minus, you will like this one, if you did not, well, it did not do engaging to reel you in. Bardock being the only Saiyan who figured out Freeza’s big plans was a bit hard to swallow, despite their attempt to add further reasoning onto it. There are new scenes presented here that was not shown in the Minus chapter, but it does not do anything to Minus itself, but more so towards the titular “antagonist”; as if simply only added the interaction between Paragus and King Vegeta (meaning, no Dragon Ball Minus)—and nothing would change. 

There was a touching moment towards Goku’s departure, despite the emotional music trying to bait you in by giving “feels”, it felt flat. Once the actual movie starts, I finally felt something, a sense of joy—finally, the movie can start. Of course, I’m being hyperbolic here, but I digress. 

There was a clear awkward transition between Freeza destroying the planet and Bardock, suddenly damaged, tries to stop it. I’d assumed there will be an extended version or a retelling, but man, does it look awkward and noticeable.

A user named Gaffer Tape said it best about the content: 

Gaffer Tape said:
“Ultimately, it's fan-service, plain and simple. There's no story here. It's just a bunch of, "Ooh, look, it's Goku's parents." "Ooh, look, it's Vegeta and Raditz as kids." "Ooh, look at all the shiny new backstory." What a waste. I'd rather it not has been written, which is a shame because what I've read of Jaco I've enjoyed immensely. But between this and the abysmal Episode of Bardock, I'd say it's clear they need to put this character on a shelf and never, ever use him again.”
The Tagline, the Characters and the Ugly

The film was advertised as hell and back as a movie about Goku, Vegeta and Broly; yet hardly any of them gets a glimpse of a character arc (even Broly barely scratches the surface here). In fact, hardly have anything to do with each other at all.

Goku hardly gets any character arc in this film and the end where he says “Kakarot” rings hollow, especially since such character arc regarding his heritage is completed in Saiyan and Freeza arc. One would think with Toriyama’s heavy involvement in the film would grant some promises, but it’s more-or-less the same we seen in Super—offsetting character moments that Goku shouldn’t be doing, like asking Freeza a word means (granted, it was a bit funny though!).

Vegeta gets to fight, then once Goku steps in, he just disappears from the film for 15 minutes until he shows up again for a few worth of scenes of fighting together before fusion. You know Piccolo always shows up in the film and saves Gohan? Is this Vegeta’s version? Shows up, fights something and then disappears when Goku gets into action? Hope it doesn’t become a habit. 

One of the common criticisms of Broly is that he either have no personality, no character or a combination of both (and the often cited the zombification theory that never dies, Broly hates Goku because he cried). So, naturally, whatever new aspect presented in this film will be taken face value without examination. After watching the film, I cannot see where the idea that new Broly had “more” character than the original.

Here’s what we know about Broly:
  • He has an ignorant view of new shit around him (is curiosity a personality trait…?), since he’d been on Vampa for 41 or so years.
  • He used to have a gigantic space pupper as a friend before his Dad shooed him away.
  • He doesn’t like the collar thing.
  • Loves his Dad.
  • Likes to fight, contrary what the film is trying to shove down the throat of the audiences.
And that’s it. That is literally all the information about Broly. Once we get into the second half of the film, his supposed character arc abruptly ends and turns into a hulking mess, strip of whatever “personality” he had in the first half. The film never addresses why Broly is uncontrollable nor his Legendary Super Saiyan, excuse me, Full Power is given any thought—things are happening, but at the same time, nothing is happening. 

I just cannot see how these things gave any depth to Broly at all—especially since he rarely spoke in the film. Original Broly was quite talkative in his first appearance and combined with cruelty, sadism, and competitive nature; even in his second appearance, his lines (he says Kakarot 12-14 times and uttered one full sentence to Gohan) can sum up as “Get that guy out here so I can get a rematch”.

Perhaps people don’t like that kind of character, so they fetch whatever tack on as an improvement, which is fine, but I don’t see this Broly having any more personality than the original. It’s more or less the same… perhaps even less so.

And honestly, despite the glaring issues the film had with those three, those problems I can overlook due to time restraints or things getting cut for the film. Yet, there is no excuse for Cheerai and Lemo; they are easily the worst characters in the film.

I mentioned before that they seem to dip into this idea that Paragus loved his son (it was done more subtly in the original film, but it was nice to see it here). Yet, these two little shits constantly demonized Paragus back and forth, and the film does nothing to address it, as if the film is trying to leave the audience to see if Paragus and Broly’s relationship is bad or not.

But it doesn’t work in my opinion. Paragus flat out abandoned everything in order to save his son. He spent 41 years together with him—it is clear that Broly had a positive view of him. Another thing is the shock collar as I mentioned before, before Paragus starts the zapper, he talks him down multiple times and when that doesn’t work, he uses it.

What’s worse is that these two barely just met Broly and Cheerai acted like she knew him inside out. It brings down enjoyment of the film whenever she and Lemo appears on screen to talk one thing and another of how Broly truly feels… yet the film consistently shows Broly loving the shit out of this fight. Inf act, when Paragus practically was on his knees trying to get Broly to stop fighting Vegeta and come home when he realized he wasn’t strong enough—it was clear he pretty much stop giving a shit about revenge and wanted to go home, yet, we’re supposedly have to take Cheerai’s words into heart about Broly based on few interactions?

All and all, it is a good film, but the original film, as the Doctor said, did everything this film did, but better. If I were to truly rank all the Broly films, it would be like this:
  • Dragon Ball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan (7/10)
  • Dragon Ball Super: Broly
  • Dragon Ball Z: Broly – Second Coming and Bio-Broly (two films that seemingly, for some reason, decides to use the boring characters in the franchise, Trunks and Goten, as main characters.)
 
Gonna leave my two cents here on the film:

Ok, so now that I have sat down and given some time to let the hype down, I'll get into how I feel about the film:

I read your review, Shine, and I do agree on quite a bit on the points you made. Starting first with the backstory, it was no doubt a complete and utter half assed backstory. I personally have never read Minus, but the 25 minutes dedicated to this was definitely a small improvement over the Bardock episode only because it was simple enough for me to see Bardock in a new light that didn't make me annoyed to see him. I'll only say that I felt a small bit of feels just in the notion of good people who didn't deserve death having to face the reality of it happening, mainly in Gine saying goodbye to Goku. How Bardock knew and the overall build up was felt super half-assed imo, but it's a moot point because in the end, I only felt the same established "ok Frieza needs to be stopped" I got from the Namek saga, which was probably the goal of the whole thing outside of establishing where Broly and Paragus fit into the history now. For nostalgic purposes, I enjoyed it, and then felt the initial hype of the actual movie itself starting. I'll even go as far to say that I felt that kid Vegeta and Raditz were the biggest wastes of time I've ever seen in film. There was little to zero point to include them there, simply because anyone new to Dragon Ball wouldn't have given a damn about their feelings on the destruction of their home world.

I've gotten so hollow to Dragon Ball Super's extensive fuckery of giving up consistency and character establishment for fanservice that I honestly missed a few points you brought up, simply so I could enjoy the movie. I agree with practically all of them, and want to complain about a couple of things that you brought up more in depth:

Broly was not better character wise, don't give a fuck what anyone says. One of the most half assed attempts of a cliche Tarzan I've ever seen with the 'mentor/parent killed my only dog to teach me how to be emotionally detached' tacked on. Outright boring, did not make me feel for him, but I appreciate the new direction in how he's not an antagonist bent on destroying everything. Old Broly had more character in that sadistic superiority complex, and I think many people are confusing the notion that we get to see more potential from new Broly in development than the old version as if he already has more character. All in all, New Broly has a platform to do something interesting, but is definitely not more fleshed out or a better character than the old version.

Cheerai is now officially my least favorite character in DB. Starts as an immediate thirst trap with camera panning all over her ass and the "let me flick my boobs with flexible armor while having a normal conversation" mechanic to try and trap people in. It was the one level of bullshit I couldn't tolerate, my buddy actually laughing in the theater next to me when I couldn't help but blurt out, "Stop this shit" when Broly was defending her from the drunk guy trying to cop a feel. Absolutely garbage development, forced asf, and the bond just didn't work. The development would've worked if it showed Broly didn't value them and just sort of went along with it because he has no friends after Cheerai saved him at the final fight. Her being thirsty asf for Broly's friendship is fine, but Broly reciprocating any sort of bond to them is just complete trash. Rewrite the plot to indicate Cheerai's comments are annoying (IE, Cheerai complains about Broly not being a fighter, cuts to Broly laughing and enjoying the battle to spite that notion), and it would capture some of the old fun from DBZ where characters would blatantly be caught dead wrong in their encompassing statements. Rather than what you put, of character's making statements to try and explain character's motivations, and it being contradicted in a manner that makes you annoyed at the poor writing. Then we would get a fun dynamic that I think we might see with Cheerai and Broly, where it'd basically be the same as Goku and Chi-Chi: simpleton guy (Broly/Goku) wants to go out and have fun fighting while supporting character/romantic interest character who annoyingly speaks for him limits that for her own selfish reasons (Cheerai/Chi-Chi).

The Good

The plot of the fights was significantly better in this one. Starting with Vegeta vs Broly: my god, the typical build up of "Oh shit, what's a Super Saiyan?!" from Paragus worked well with the 25 minute prologue. The nostalgia of seeing it be relevant for a few minutes was fantastic, and the fights gave admirable respect to the forms this time around. Vegeta switching to SSG was even well done: seeing a brute who had zero experience in combat struggling to put up a fight against Vegeta upgrading in transformation was a very fun sequence in both cases of SSJ and SSG.

Goku jumping in was boring: was just literally Goku fighting a guy at his level, despite some show of "experience vs brute power". Basically was just sitting there, waiting for him to pull out SSB and force Broly to get to LSSJ (Full power), but it was good animation and typical flash of punches and blasts that you expect from DBZ. Frieza killing Paragus as a means to trigger Broly is a fantastic meme: use of a funny irony to trigger a serious plot mechanic is something I'll always admire from DB in general and glad to see that tradition upheld here. Goku and Vegeta indirectly dumping Broly onto Frieza was also great, fantastic humor from him getting absolutely shit on like an old Tom and Jerry cartoon when the antagonistic villain's plan backfires humorously on him.

Finally, the glorious inclusion of the man himself: Gogeta. Aside from obvious fan service, I actually thoroughly enjoyed how they handled him here: taking elements of fusion's domination in a fight but removing the bad plot mechanics to make it work without ruining Goku and Vegeta's impact on the story. No more extensive pandering/dragging out an established plot mechanic from Vegetto (anime dragged out the "stalling to get absorbed" plot way too long), no "oh shit, power usage forces early defusion" nonsense like SSJ4 Gogeta and Vegetto Blue. Just straight domination from Gogeta first in his immense enjoyment from simply dodging everything from Broly's first engagement, powering up to SSJ to square up with a small edge over SSJ Broly, then advancing to Blue when FP Broly tanked some hits from SSJ Gogeta.

Everything about that fight's progression was great: Gogeta had the edge, was having a blast, and we all knew it. Thoroughly enjoying the test to see if he could push Broly, the raging monster growing stronger and stronger, even higher just for the lols while Broly was clearly starting to hit his ceiling and fighting on like a wild cheetah starting to overheat and inching closer to dying from sprinting for too long in chase for food. The mechanisms created that dynamic so well in both characters: Gogeta, in being masterful and experienced as a fighter, while Broly is written as a brute literally throwing his barbaric power around in a desperate bid to overcome his prey. Gogeta manhandling him in the final portion was easily one of my favorite battles in the entire series, even potentially dethroning Vegetto vs Super Buu for me simply because it was very similar in how it showed the extensive superiority you expect from fusion without the additional filler that dragged it on for too long. It simply did what I felt has been lacking from Dragon Ball for a long time: created a fight where there were two sides you could find depth in. Not just "hey, here's Goku fighting someone you really can see interesting combat dynamic in other than "hey he's strong" or "hey he is a cheater" or a combination of both. Along with showing someone being dominated through means that's not just "fuck, he's so much stronger".

All in all, I say this film is my favorite in the entire lineup of DBZ films by far because of that final battle alone being a better return to old DBZ nuances and performing better fight stories than any other of the movies. It has some major flaws, but I only hope certain things they performed well in this film will make their way into the new series.
 
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