Avengers: Endgame

ShineCero

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Discussion on the upcoming movie. This will contain spoilers so if you don’t want to be spoiled, don’t look in this thread.
 

ShineCero

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Just got back from the film. This is one of the most intense film of the year.

If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this thread! Thanks!

Anyways, everything about it was great. It sucks that my hearing aid died halfway through, but I managed to make the gist of things by reading lips and the sound was just right enough to pick up noises.


The time travel concept, I thought was pretty good. It wasn't confusing, nor bullshitted through. Captain America's end was a bit mucky, but it wasn't that much of a problem where it became a distraction. Nebula's character is definitely a highlight in this entire film. It was witty, it was clever and it delivered on what it build up to be. I also like how Thanos destroyed the stones and he was done with it, basically laughing at the heroes's failure even more. 

Pepper being Iron-Man was fucking awesome. 

I'm trying to think of something that I dislike, and honestly, it be hard press to find such. I'm going to watch the film again with the rest of my family, so maybe I can pick things up again (this time, with batteries filled). 

Iron-Man's death was tragic. I was actually expecting Captain America to kick the bucket (his payoff was great too), but this was a surprise. Only thing I would add is Tony kissing Pepper one last time before he croaks. 

Thanos had evolved further after seeing what he had accomplished in the future and took measures to make sure he doesn't fuck up. I like how older timeline Nebula tried so hard to impressed Thanos, even when confronted that her fate when other Nebula explained to her, her mind was so dead on set that she refuses to believe anything, even from her ownself. That was a powerful moment for it.

There were several scenes that was purely fucking awesome. Captain America's holding Thor's hammer was fucking pure kino. Cap saying "Avengers! Assemble!" was also fucking great. The scene with all the heronies in one scene was pyre fucking kino.

Captain Marvel finally felt like how Captain Marvel should be. A fucking godly force and laying down some shit. When Thanos punched her and couldn't do shit at first, I thought that was awesome. But he quickly caught on and took the power stone out and smacked her away was great composition. 

So many things to unpack this, but I think I ran my mouth long enough. What did you guys think?
 

Vegetto

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This probably the first movie that honestly, blew me away. I was completely floored the other night when I first saw it, and have now seen it a second time. So many things to talk about, which I'll jump in on depending on the discussion.

I suppose I'll start with the only real criticism I can give on the film: the female Avengers assembling moment. Which don't get me wrong: I actually liked the idea of it and it still was a great moment.

However, I personally felt like the actual reasoning and execution of it was just so awkward and forced. A massive battle is raging on for about a mile wide in every direction, but all the female Avengers assemble from what they're doing with no actual reasoning (IE, Wasp abandoning Ant Man in the van doesn't really make sense), to help Captain Marvel in a situation where she actually needs zero help considering she can casually stomp Thano's entire army, along with Thanos himself.

Infinity War did it better, where Black Widow and Okoye coming to aid Scarlett Witch in the middle of the fight was definitely more believable, injecting the feminism into the plot without trying to force some ulterior goal. Felt kind of like another example of a horrible execution in fanfiction, like getting Batman and Superman to stop hating one another and become somewhat friendly over their mom's having the same first name.

That being said, my actual reaction to the moment wasn't negative. It was more, "uhh, alright, idk why this is happening but I'll roll with it.", and then was definitely forgotten with the bit involving Pepper, Valkyrie and Scarlett Witch blasting Thanos with a triple energy beam that was a glorious call back to their male "counterparts" blasting Ultron in Age of Ultron. That moment was flawless in execution.

So yeah, thought I'd leave that on the table, given that I personally have no idea where to start with all the glorious things this movie did other than the one "negative" I saw. Probably one of my favorite moments would have to go to Howard Stark getting parenting advice from Tony, who gets to indirectly bond with his dad.
 

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Vegetto said:
This probably the first movie that honestly, blew me away. I was completely floored the other night when I first saw it, and have now seen it a second time. So many things to talk about, which I'll jump in on depending on the discussion.

I suppose I'll start with the only real criticism I can give on the film: the female Avengers assembling moment. Which don't get me wrong: I actually liked the idea of it and it still was a great moment.

However, I personally felt like the actual reasoning and execution of it was just so awkward and forced. A massive battle is raging on for about a mile wide in every direction, but all the female Avengers assemble from what they're doing with no actual reasoning (IE, Wasp abandoning Ant Man in the van doesn't really make sense), to help Captain Marvel in a situation where she actually needs zero help considering she can casually stomp Thano's entire army, along with Thanos himself.

Infinity War did it better, where Black Widow and Okoye coming to aid Scarlett Witch in the middle of the fight was definitely more believable, injecting the feminism into the plot without trying to force some ulterior goal. Felt kind of like another example of a horrible execution in fanfiction, like getting Batman and Superman to stop hating one another and become somewhat friendly over their mom's having the same first name.

That being said, my actual reaction to the moment wasn't negative. It was more, "uhh, alright, idk why this is happening but I'll roll with it.", and then was definitely forgotten with the bit involving Pepper, Valkyrie and Scarlett Witch blasting Thanos with a triple energy beam that was a glorious call back to their male "counterparts" blasting Ultron in Age of Ultron. That moment was flawless in execution.

So yeah, thought I'd leave that on the table, given that I personally have no idea where to start with all the glorious things this movie did other than the one "negative" I saw. Probably one of my favorite moments would have to go to Howard Stark getting parenting advice from Tony, who gets to indirectly bond with his dad.

I think that is one of my favorite bits of the entire film. The concept of time-travel was straight-forward, even when they touch upon the multiverse theory and easy to keep track. Howard and Tony’s scene was powerful, but I felt the Nebula’s scene was even more incredible. Karen Gillan was god-damn phenomenal in her role. She was mean, cold, and yet, she still had a moment of clarity. It was gut-busting laughing how she admits the paper football was fun, but she was still hard-pressed about it. When Guardian the Galaxy 3 hits, honestly, move over Gamora, it’s Quill and Nebula time, and they’re about to make a quasar happen.

I also like to draw out the scene where they emphasis Tony Stark’s death. The long, dead stare was brilliant. They want to gut the audience that yeah, “this man is dead, that’s it for him. He’s done for.”

Even though the audiences knew deep down, the moment Tony used the stones, he’s a goner, but there was a simmering of hope that the audience left with. Nah, the Russo brothers kept punching you in the gut until you accepted his death.

I also feel bad for Quill. Finally, he got Gamora, but it’s not the Gamora he knows. So, in hindsight, he lost her all over again. Most likely in the third film, he will probably have a more negative personality (based on the comics). 

Captain America lifting up the hammer is the best damn thing in this entire movie. The combo, the strikes, the power behind it. It was thrilling and shockingly awesome. I can’t even process my mind when I saw that scene laid out like that.
 

Appelsider

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First of all, get ready, this is gonna be a real essay. I've never felt the need to write this much about a movie so it was a pretty good one. XD


I loved the movie, it came super close to Infinity War for me. The reason I prefer IW is because it had such a despairful ending and the other characters were more interesting to me than the ones focused  on in Endgame.

ANYWAYS, back to Endgame..
The first 15 minutes already threw away all my expectations and i absolutely loved that!!
 Seeing the characters cope with the situation for 5 year was really interesting to see. Most of them couldn't accept the change and weren't really able to move on. (Which is an odd message to send to the public tho....) I also wasn’t expecting captain marvels role to be so small.. but it makes sense..she’s just too overpowered haha. Same goes for Thor but they gave him a reason to not be powerful as you can see yourself in the movie. XD

Then the part where they gathered the Infinity stones reminded me of the dragon balls xD.
I found it odd they didnt take more time to plan everything out.... why didn't Nebula tell them about the soul stone requirement?? Speaking of that, Widows sacrifice in theory was super sad but
I couldn't feel much for it cus I never liked her character.. All I can say is that she was a pitiful character. Losing her "family" falling apart, only to sacrifice herself to get them back but not getting to see them again... Sad. I wish I liked her more so I could feel the emotions more..but I was mostly just shocked they actually went and killed her off haha.

Then the main fight... Oh my god Captain stole the show right there!! Super cool to see that. I was in awe!! Like Damnnnn he worthyyyy
And when everyone came through the portals I was ecstatic!,
And the part where Doctor strange gave that 1 sign to Iron Man was so powerful... I really was expecting Captain America to sacrifice himself so I didn’t expect Iron Man to bite the dust..so heroic rip :’(

Also loved Captain Marvels overpoweredness, but not her hairstyle. Did you know she shot Endgame before doing Captain Marvel 2019??


Antman,Thor and Hulk comedy was gold. Everyone in the cinema was laughing so hard at their scenes it was really fun. XD I really liked they kept Thor fat throughout the movie. He went through so much and to see him coping that way was realistic.

@"Vegetto"  : I think that scene was thrown in as a fanservice for in the last final fight. For the female Avenger fans! The movie had so many callbacks and references it was all for fanservice, so i really enjoyed seeing all the girls gather under the oh so powerful Marvel, as another fanservice for the girl fans. XD

So about the three main losses:

- Widows sacrifice was sad, but she fulfilled her goal of bringing the people she loves back.

- Ironman: got rid of his guilt about Spiderman, lived the life he wanted for 5 years and saved the world and even got to talk to his dad. → fulfilling life

- captain America: also fulfilled his life by going back to Peggy. I’m glad he did..I always felt so bad for him about that..glad he got his happy ending haha

So they all got a fulfilling ending which was a nice closure for them and for me. XD 



Still the fact that they showed Captain America and Black Widow weren’t  able to move on from a big problem felt like an odd message to send to the public. Of course it’s realistic and not necessarily bad.. I didn’t expect them to show this type of message..especially from heroes. Which was also interesting to see.

Well those were my rambles..and yeah.. loved the movie! And I have a lot to say about it in general. XD
 

ShineCero

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Yeah, I agreed that the all the female avengers wasn't a shot at feminism, but it's more like a treat to female fans who supported and stayed with this series throughout the years. I guess it would be work as less awkward in a sense, but it's was great xD

Also, I just realized something.

2014 Gamora is still technically part of Thanos' army, so shouldn't she get dusted as well? :thonk:
 

Vegetto

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Right, what I'm getting at about the whole moment was that I personally disliked it because it was exactly that: forced fan service. It is feminism because it's iterating one of the key ideologies of the belief: women sticking up for one another. Great idea, fun moment for sure, but I think it was too forced and lacked any sort of logical flow to it like other moments in the MCU such as the Infinity War version of the scene and the triple team blast on Thanos.

In the first example of Infinity War, it's basically capturing the entire value of the moment ("She's not alone") and doing it in a manner that feels like it belongs in the story. Fan service, extensive hype, accomplishing the moral of women empowering other women, but done in a manner where it fits well. The triple beam blast on Thanos also does it well: Pepper and Valkyrie are shown working together to help Spider-Man while Scarlett is driven to beat down Thanos. Meaning those three coming together isn't a stretch at all. All three working together to blast him in a manner that calls back to Age of Ultron where their male counterparts are doing almost the exact thing, is a special little gem that isn't forcing you to recognize it, but if you pick up on it, it's tugs at the emotional strings. Making it great execution in story telling.

So yeah, I personally like the notion of them attempting to keep that, "women working together to lift themselves up" feminism play that started in Infinity War. It just felt extremely forced and cheap to where I remember almost cringing with the, "uh ok..i'll roll with it i guess" thought in my head. Which in my opinion, is part of why "fan service" shouldn't be an excuse for flawed writing; everything is technically fan service in fictional works like this. It's just more in the execution of it that makes a huge difference as to whether it feels fantastic, IE of all the Avengers showing up to fight Thanos' army. Or (in my opinion), moments like that female Avengers assembly that tried to obviously give something for fans but didn't really feel like it belonged in the story.

But fr, the Iron Man ending there:

"I am inevitable."

> snaps fingers, nothing happens.

>Iron Man shows his gauntlet, has all five stones.

"And I...am..."

> omfg, tony have mercy-

"Iron Man."

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ShineCero

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Has anybody managed to get tickets to see it a second time around? My theater is getting booked to the brim everytime.

I really, really love how they did with Thor in this film. It caught me off by surprise, but they nailed his characterization in this. I really looking forward to see his adventures with the Guardians of the Galaxy!
 

Grey Star

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My primary problem with the Feminism moment in the movie is just Wasp being there when she really should've been at the van with Scott. I don't think it would've been so glaring otherwise, as that part just violates the logic of the film.

I also really didn't like Marvel being the one to take down Thanos' flagship on the basis that there was no set up for it. It was basically the Han Solo ex-machina of Star Wars where character confirmed to not be around suddenly shows up to save the heroes. On the other hand, Marvel's cold, impersonal handling of affairs made her boring in the film but awesome to watch. I feel like that Scarlet Witch could've replaced Marvel for everything except the opening but, that's probably just because I don't like Captain Marvel.
 
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